[SIZE=3]O.K. Here we go, and now that I have a son (8 onths and a loving wife (2years) this has really started to bother me. I would litterally never let my kid attend a school that advocated these lies! I am sober. I am a husband, father and most importtant...a christian. This is why i am propelled to do something and let people know the truth. Like me, when I was off to rehab, my parents would not have believed anything i said, i would be "exagerating" or in the least they would be happy I had "3 hots and a cot" and off the street.
Oh yes....I was a "drug prevention specialist" AKA- drug ed speaker in Boston for a few quacks (Maria and Bobbty are 1 and 2). After "graduating" and doing drugs daily at narconon (everyone did, well 11 of us that I know about! and no one ever got tested after the first day (unless you were a freak!) I then moved to boston bought soe dope and went to work. My cncience got the best of me and I was white knockle cleane for 7 months. They tought me scripted speach about how ALL drugs are bad, even asprin and they are all LYPOPHELIC, according LRH, this means that all drugs stay in the fat. Narcononon claims these drugs will be released with leathal doses of nicademic acid (niacin) and sitting in a sauna for 5 hours untill you EP. This means you reach some cognition or "cog" and you feel clear. DRUGS ARE NOT LYPOPHELLIC only thc is and only for a onth!! I told children all kinds of B.S. and soon told them y story and never mentioned narconon. I just told the kids how I got involved in RX drugs and Heroin and Methadone. I infored them about perscription drugs in which i know alot about (Dad and Sister are Pharmacists) I told the kids how pain pill abuse or getting a tooth out could lead you down the wrong path. Theylways asked me about what they saw. I met the leader or ED of Narconon Boston as she Loved to tell to the world, well Maria was after Patty I guess and I was after 5 people that had been speakers and relapsed. But GOOD JOB PATY< did we meet? I think so, and after a while in BostonI started taking Percacet again. I left and went to AA and got sober and have been for over 3 years. Let me say we allmoast got caught conducting a secret AA session and would have been thrown out of that darn Cult at Arrowhead. I have a great Buisness now, a home, an amaising 8 month old son James IV and I am married. I owe it all to ........GOD and AA!At NN They tried to keep me there, surpressed and they lied to my family and I truly got caught up and brainwashed. I felt like I had no life except there. All the success stories are lies because they make you write them if you want to advance and graduate. There are no Dr's. inexperienced Nurses and at Detox. I did TR's (i looked into peoples eyes and could not move or else I would have to stay longer). I could have died quitting H cold turkey. The withdrawl specialists were on dope! they had just graduated and 2 of the 3 faked my BP. I slept with one blond girl while i was getting a therapy session in the TR room. I thought the
place was great and then hooked up from a complete :yeahright :unsure: fro TX
, but they knew and did nothing!

Back to Massachusetts........... The Boston Drug Ed" Program is a hoax, needs to be shut down, period When I was there, we targeted the outer city shools since the inner ones caught on and have since been banned :huh: . We are allowing our youth to be brainwashed and if my son was exposed to one of these idiots at school I would freek. I have a bud who graduated law school and he is going to see what he can dig up "pro bono". LRH is a quack. I was tought to lie, isolate, think normal people are wierd or suppressive and when i worked 50 hours a week in boston I made 250 dollars. Then I was late and was put in "lowers" and did not get paid until I made it up by cleaning the bathrooms etc. I can go on and on b./ ut will let you guys ask me anything you want. I have all the literature and had access to all the "upper folk"


"If it looks like a duck and even smells like a duck, watch out cause a scientologist will want you to ask it if it flys 100 times!" ME- JC3

Thanks for this. I would like to know, were you under any pressure to become a Scientologist?

Or was it covertly done with the courses?

Do you have any idea how many clients wound up joining Scientology after their time in Narconon when you were there?

After reading what I poasted you may question my intilect and whether I have braine cells and if they are lost and if so are the few remaining ones out looking for their buds? But go easy I was up with my sweet baby James and in a computer generated trance , I am actualy semi litterate. D-O-G see! Just a bad typer who has no time for stinkin spell check.
But , my vernacular was a bit off kilter...I appologise. I want to make this CLEAR!.. I am not proud of what I did at narconon. VGirl, dope etc. But your ?, before and after drug ed and relapsing I went back. I was takin to the
org in Boston and took a tour. They sat me down, were on the phone saying how I was ahead of the game, allready had a case supe and they could fed x my "file"
and life woulf jut be so everwonderfull. I lived with maria and her lover qwho
were scientologists and she was nice, no she wasent ...but I feel sorry for her.

She thinks what she is doing is good. her 70 year old mom would come over and

cry to me to try and straiten her out. Maria would even tell e the church and
Narconon were not the same. I now see that this claim has become so evident

they have turned the "black P.R". to a greyish hugh. :D To answer you question I

was told I could make more money if I spent money and took courses. They said that "IF YOU DON"T FEEL LIKE GOING BACK TO NN AROWHEAD< YOU CAN GO TO

THE CHURCH IN BOSTON". But after meeting that slick, used car sman guy I
wanted no part of that place. I had never heard of scientology since I had gotten

arrested and y parents would not talk to me (too sad) and they told my mom they

would come to N.C and bail me out, get me legal rep, and even fly someone out

to accopany me. He was a grad who got me drunk and let e stop by CVS and get

my benzodiazapines. Suh a role odel. So opiot addiction for me goes like this I
get off, It is PAINFUL:L, I dibble dable with a few oxy's and then BAM and before

you know it I am broke and going back to NN arowhead is better than life sice I
cant live on drugs. (work etc) So when I went back I knew what to look for so here are your answers........

1.(Q) I would like to know, were you under any pressure to become a Scientologist? (A) I was pulle
d aside ore times at dinner or when having discusions. In my file it said about
how I was a public speaking major in College and how I was good at it and they tried HARD to recrute me. They told me how I can make all this money doing "interventions" starting up my own Drug Ed Office etc.

2.(Q) Or was it covertly done with the courses (A) At the office as you know the
scientology books are everywhere. They did not take a covert or nebulous rout it was what about the Bridge. Did you know that__ course will free you from
whatever. I was also let known I would not advance at Drug ed or as
narconon "staff" :blink: . Ie: I was ostrasised if I was not going to continue my spitual climb to hell.

3. For the first timers I would say very confidently2-3 out of 100 went to a local
church and I would say that aftyer 1 month .5 stayed. For those that were retread and thise at times were moast of the peple there the numbers are 2-5. I have a

very smart friend from the south who was on H and his dad died and he had no
guidance and was yearning for help. I actually helped him ore. I lknew they rehab scene and how to preach but pactising was the hard part for me. He gave it
100% and even his mom went. They went 4 times and both got freaked out. He told me this after he xcame back the same time I did from almoast OD ing on H.
As you know I dont know if they really want us to join or they want us to be undecided and spend all our money then figure it out. I never saw the Old staff
give a poor kid the time of day, or someone who had a druggy look. But if you
were educated and well spoken they jumped right on you and made you think the
world was your oyster. I never opened a book the second time and got all my TR's forged from Patty and the big New York CS who relapsed too. You are doing a good thing. Its almoast frustrating to talk about because when you tell someone
I lifted ashtrays its like saying "hey I am so stupid I let these idiots rtell me that
talking to an ashtray would help me get off drugs and control my life. You or I come out loking like an ass, so thats why this is great, The whacked out nature
of this Unsafe, cultish, immoral, and anti godlike org is so hard to convey a forum
such as this is the only way.
Its like when 1 person says you stink who cares. 2 people, well thats too darn bad also... but hey, if there is a third.....well you bet your bippie that dial will be aplied librally.
How can we get more folks, I will call around and see what I can do and see if I can find some old aquaintances with good hearts. Thanks for your persistance and standing up for us all. We commend you ;) You Rock![/SIZE]

Yo, bud,

I'd be the last one to question your intelligence! I know how very subtle and effective the mindf**k can be. I've met lots of ex-Scientologists who were roped in by covert recruitment tactics. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

It has everything to do with the clever way they can identify vulnerabilities and manipulate people. Scientology and its front groups are some of the slickest cons in the business!

Thanks for answering my questions. I hope this whole site becomes a useful tool, not only for Narconon victims, but also for people considering it as an option. Your participation is greatly appreciated!

JCS.... my boyfriend has been at Stonehawk for 30 days now, he's on his 15th day of sauna. I have talked to several individuals who attended that "institution" and each one of them basically told me the exact same story, unbeknownst to any of them. When I read yours, which had a few more tidbits, all I wanted to do was cry. I'm 33, with a 7 yr old, and thought I had to be strong when I dropped my boyfriend off. I never even cried, or shed one single tear, I thought this was the best thing for him... after all, the intake counselors definitely are slick salesmen. I found nothing but lies & empty promises after that, and when I tried to convey to his parents (who paid the $30k) that he was experiencing more cult and absolutely nothing having to do with rehab, we all got into a fight. I can see they don't want to waste their money, but c'mon, ya know?! They asked me to stick with the tough love to at least get him through sauna, but I'm having a really hard time doing so. I just keep seeing all these stories and hearing them first hand, and it infuriates me! I am caught between a rock & a hard place. I want to pull him out, but I can't afford another rehab program, nor can I afford his parents hating me. He hasn't said a single word to me about ANY of the things that go on there. I'm not sure if he knows the phones are tapped and he's trying to gain "up stat", or if he's staying out of guilt that he'll feel having his parents lose all that money. I want him clean, desperately, as we all want to be and/or our loved ones to be, so I'm really & truly torn. How can I further convey/convince his parents what's going on? They keep telling me that the stories are coming from manipulative junkies. HELP! Stonehawk is insane and I don't know how to make it any clearer to them. And WHY ISN'T HE SPEAKING UP TO ME?!?!?! :(

"They keep telling me that the stories are coming from manipulative junkies."

This is the party line. They are listening to the snake oil salesmen.
Tell them that Dr. Dave Touretzky is a respected researcher and professor at Carnegie Mellon University, and this is his website:

http://stop-narconon.org

He is about as far from a "manipulative junkie" as you can get. The manipulative junkies are the Narconon people; at least, most of them were addicts in the not so distant past. That's where they get their staff, from the graduates as you've read above.

Your boyfriend is unfortunately listening to these people rather than the truth. That's probably why he isn't talking to you, you're trying to get him away from them, which makes YOU the problem in their eyes.

Sorry. I hope you can get his parents to see reason.
Junkies NEVER become professors at respected universities, you might try telling them that. You also might try explaining the difference between anecdotal and documented evidence. Anecdotal is what you hear on street corners. Documentation means you can research and verify for yourself whether or not something is true. Many people never bother to consider the difference.

Do his parents want him to join Scientology? I read one account, pure speculation unfortunately as there's no way to quantify this, that up to 60-70% of Narconon clients go on to become Scientologists.

What IS well documented is the fact that the same courses are given in Narconon as are purchased by Scientology customers. It's indoctrination and recruitment, pure and simple. It is sickening to see how Scientology preys on vulnerable people in this way. However, his parents still have the option of trying to get their money back. There has been some success in that area recently, just ask Greg Beha.